Fascism puts Left foot forward 5781Dean T That's the Cliffite rather than the Trotskyist claim. They claimed the bureaucracy was a new clbutt. They are third campists, making them anti-Trotskyist A scandalous piece of...
Yup. Modern socialism is a balance between public and private enterprise. The goal posts tend to change as does the use of the term. When Robert Owen tried the first socialist experiments in the 19th century it was better described as Communalism. Marx and others based their writings on his communes or other experiments and pushed Owen to the right.
The original commune at the New Lanark Mills in Scotland was an experiment in the viability of co-operative factory communities. He then expended his utopian socialist ideas into the New Harmony Community in America in the 1840's.
These concepts spread and various FREE LOVE communes blossomed in New York State and Pennslyvania such as the Oneida Colony which had I believe 3 differ locations. There were also anti-love communes such as the Shakers. Oneida produced some of the finest furniture produced then and the commune prospered both as a group and with indivusal profits. One can still visit whats left of these colonies today. The poor shakers are down to 3 woman I believe since they didn't believe in love and had to recruit rather than produce.
Fascism puts Left foot forward 5782OK. I'm probably referring more to Lenin's contribution. I'm talking about what happened pragmatically than the theoretical position. There have...
One would not call these groups communistic because they were democratic and stick more to the original Owenite's beliefs in Communalism.
Problem with labels like this is they change. When communism and the USSR died, the right wing tried to push the centerests to the left and we refuse. Now since the right wing is fighting the right wing the pressure if off except for the morons like Andrew Bolt and others who are trying to say Hitler was a socialist and the right wing and fascism had nothing to do with the Holocaust.
THOM
