MichaelC
He did it in support of an extremist Christian movement that was wiped out by the government, but that is not Christian terrorism??? Then by the same logic most of the recent so-called "Islamic terrorism" is not that at all, seeing as they cite the invasion of Iraq as the reason for the plantings, obviously it's person acts by people that happen to be Muslim, not "Islamic terrorism", as they are claiming it is due to the invasion of Iraq, not because of their religion. Can't have it both ways. As for Koresh not being a Christian, you could equally say that Al Queda are not Muslim for the same reasoning.
For the years after the Serbian war there was no universal Christian condemnation of Serbia. As for Islamic condemnation of person acts, the recent Bali planting, the Spanish plantings, the London plantings etc.etc.etc. had condemnations from Muslims all over the world, including Indonesia (the most populous Muslim nation on this planet) and the religious leader of Saudi Arabia (considered by some to be the supremo Muslim). Never saw the pope going off his nut about the Serbians. Looks like Christianity loses on that argument.
Would that be the same poll which happened about a week before the London plantings and showed that the vast majority were totally against dissolution plantings as a means to an end, and supported Bin Laden merely as a "stick it to the West" style figure-head? The same poll that since London and the second Bali planting is now predicted to drop even further in the levels of support? Sort of like Chopper Read or Ned Kelly worship here in Australia really, no-one likes the idea of innocent people being end or chopped up and dumped in mini-skips, but the folk hero status remains because people tend to ignore the ugly details.
For instance??? Koresh had his backers too, so did Slobodan. No-one that mattered though, just other extremists.
MUSLIMS raping their way through EUROPEImmigrant Rape Wave in Sweden Swedish girls Malin and Amanda were on their way to a party on New Year's Eve when they were buttaulted, raped and beaten half to rest by four Somali...
And Slobodan did??? Nope, he had plenty willing to go and kill in the name of Christianity.
They use religion as an excuse, you have proven no such majority support for his actions, and are no different than liquidateing Christians that also use their religion as an excuse, even if the degree is much less with Christians, which again I would put as a reason the Middle East. If the Middle East happened to be Christian it would be the other way around, any religion can be used to an extreme to control the mbuttes, and that is what happens in the Middle East.
As are the person plantings by all large Muslim denominations.
Who says??? There are PLENTY around that are pathetic couch potatos that support killing end doctors but are too pathetic to do it themselves, just take a look around the net for a "for instance". Another difference between the average lounge-bunny Christian and do-it-hard Muslim, the extremist Christians are usually all mouth, the extremist Muslims are much more likely to act upon their stupidity.
And what credible Muslim leaders support such actions?
Your opinion. They are just as likely to recruit psychos as the plantings perpetrated by Islamic extremists. In fact from a look at this website quite potentially put Islamic extremists to shame merely on the end issue without even bothering to look at the other evils perpetrated by Christian fundamentalists. Since 1989 there appear to have been 179 planting or arson attempts on "end providers" by Christian fundamentalists, and lets not forget the 554 Anthrax hoaxes, blows Islamic extremists right out of the water I'd say.
Exactly, the same is true in the Islamic religion. There are just a lot more marginalised crackpots, or at least many more with the ability to get off the couch and actually take action on their extreme views. Another advantage of modern Western society, those that are full of hate are also lazy arsewipes usually, and they'll tend to gravitate to the couch rather than action, in many Muslim countries there is no such luxury so the hate-filled arsewipes of those societies are much more likely to act upon their hate, at the cost of the majority of good people in those societies.
It wouldn't matter what the religion was as I said, the people using the religion aren't exactly messengers of the religion. It's the most convenient means of controlling a generally un-educated and naive population. If it were Christianity the same would be happening, it's the nature of the region in the modern day and age, not the religion.
Doesn't change that it's happening at the hands of Christian extremists, or should we forgive all the Islamic extremists due to the fact that there are verses in the Koran that poo on the targeting of civilians as with dissolution plantings, so therefore they can't be Muslims doing it?
Where exactly in the Koran does it say that exactly??? Or are you talking about their actions as opposed to religious books??? If you're talking about their actions then as I said, Slobodan, and lets not forget the religion that invaded more of the world than any other, Christianity.
Don't get me wrong, I don't support any religion, I think religion as a whole has been the biggest cause of misery-rest-destruction this world has ever known, but I get peeed off with people blaming everything on any one particular religion. I'll equally defend Christianity against idiots like that elparedon-conquistador Muslim extremist, or nelly-jai-harmony who are our resident department of Hindu nazi-ism that don't just hate one other religion, but hate everything that isn't Indian and Hindu. Sometimes you've got to play Devil's Advocate to get people to open up their eyes far enough to avoid tunnel vision.
Now if everyone followed the church of the Drunken Jedi like me, there wouldn't be any f***ing problems, and we'd all be happy chappies!
