I actually mean self-deception, but you won't realise that.
I was not speaking about a book. I am speaking about a much wider confusion.
Ah, but your Divine is such a limited conception. Much wiser is that of the Buddhist or the Vedantist, or the Daoist, which place responsibility squarely where it should be - on the individual.
No. I am standing in judgment on your simplistic view of what God means.
I am 'blocking out', if you like to put it that way, your misguided perception of what Godhead entails.
Absolutely! I don't have any problem with that. The great religious teachers of the world all taught this.
Undoubtedly.
A great deal.
Of course. I have no problem with that. We only have a limited perception of truth, through our own window. Which is why I reject your absolutist position.
Define moral good. Goodness is a relative term - there are no moral absolutes.
Really? He had no control over things then? Strange behaviour for an omnipotent being....
Humans were created by a process of evolution which does not have a universal morality. Humans created morality and it varies from society to society.
Humans always decide their morality, yes.
Definitely.
If they do it through faith and find happiness, good for them, but there are billions of people who don't need faith in one view of religion to be better people and overcome difficulties in their life.
Yes , it could be - but you can't have it both ways, which you are trying to say you can. Either you give total responsibility to humans or you give it to what you call God. In that case, God help us!
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True - but that proves nothing except that they overcame their affliction, by whatever means.
What a childish vision of the world! A great big battle in Heaven for control against an enemy that, by this simplistic logic, will lure billions of people to a Hell where they will spend an eternity in suffering. Are you going to be happy in heaven knowing all these souls are in eternal torment? Or are you quite satisfied that they are getting their just desserts? What sort of omnipotent being could devise such a torture for so many of his creations? It's all as believable as a fairy story, and dogmatists interpreting it have caused incredible suffering throughout millennia..
Good for you, but that pain is a function of living which has nothing to do with a God sitting in judgment anywhere.
I don't recall him trying to shift blame on to God! On the contrary he is denying the existence of such a childish notion of God altogether - that's the point of his story. But you have sidestepped, I see, the question of why this omnipotent being would have invented a place of eternal suffering when he could have avoided the whole thing.
I was harsh on you. I apologise for that. I think you are a person trying to do the best you can. That's admirable. But I find the whole idea that there is some Being who is omnipotent and who allows the most hideous suffering and injustice in the world so childish that the whole thing falls down like a house of cards. We have to take the responsibility fair and square and not invent a myth that only leads to confusion and hatred in the long run.
I don't believe that for a moment. In my experience, people usually blame other people, or themselves, for their misfortunes.
Amen to that! :)
That's right! We have the choices. Which is yours? How come God creates imperfect beings and then tortures them eternally when they fail? Can't you see an absolute silliness in this whole idea?
I prefer that we don't bring a childish vision of godhead into the equation at all, and really take responsibility for ALL our our actions.
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