No wonder the Arabs hate Israel.... the not very pragmatic

Which pretty well reflects the failure of the jews and jewish states to acccomplish any status before melding with the christian societies where their book keeping fitted well with the coming of modern science.

Previously over the millenium jews had the same problem as the muslims. to many zealots and not enough secular persons. Unlike romans,greeks,the indigenous indians of north and south america, chinese whose breakthroughs in maths, science, engineering , medicine and astronomy. With no leadup background notes to fall back on was astounding.

Of course nobody else is so loud in blowing their own trumpet, though in those early days they only were noted for prominence in the handling of money.

Israel would be surprising if it did not outstrip the world in academics and engineers with america poring in money at the 10's of trillions each year to ensure that israel has the best in schools and infrastructure even at the expense of their own health education and care of the old and the exservice people.

So with the fact that no one has had such a priveleged life and position in any country other than the royal families and the british raj who had the same arrangement of unis run for the brits who could graduate no matter ho long they stayed to get through.

So till they were allowed an non discriminated presence in christian societies they blossomed. And by claiming any prominent person as jewish because they had some distant relative who was jewish.they could just as well be identified as non jewish.

However along with these claims to fame went the spurious claims of anti semitic discrimination for sympathy to persuade academics and others to sit on their hands in the mistaken belief that they were helping a poor down trodden group when it was no such thing, but a priveleged minority second only to royalty in the country.

Much the same as the position they now hold in America. That they held and abused in Germany causing the advent of Hitler and support for his party with its anti Jewish views.

The Jews declared war against Germany On March 24, 1933, the Jewish World Congress, then under the leadership of Chaim Weizman, declared war on Germany on behalf of the Jews of the world. ar.html

The Zionist Jewish Role In - Causing World War II "In 1941, a Jewish writer, Theodor N. Kaufman, wrote Germany Must Perish. Kaufman set out a plan for the total destruction of the German population by a very simple method: the mbutt sterilisation of all German men and women between the age of puberty and sixty years."

From a pre-1993 edition of John Tyndall's Spearhead magazine 12-9-3

And used the German reaction so well to fabricate the story that the suffering of jews was not the jews fault. One Rabbi's Explanation - By Rabbi Dr. Manfred Reifer - We played with the most holy possessions of the people and at times made fun of all that was sacred to the nation.

And achieved tthe success of covering both the fact that not all jews turned on their German neighbours. And that zionists looked on these events as heaven sent to force migration to Palestine.

Jews in German army viertel.html Here by a Munich-born historian saluting in moving detail a group of little known injectiones - the women, nearly all of them German, who opposed Hitler both before and, more dramatically, during the war.

"The saving of the Jews in Europe did not figure at the head of the list of priorities of the ruling clbutt. It was the foundation of the State which was primordial in their eyes." raeli-politics-part3.htm

"The mbuttes of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of confidence in the false information that they were being transferred to Kenyermeze.

The Nazis could not have misled the mbuttes of Jews so conclusively had they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.

The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to mislead the Jews. They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help of Jewish leaders.

The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were spreading such false information and did not protest.

Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'. A Jewish woman named Marika Frank arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau from Hungary in July 1944, when 25,000 Jews were supposedly gbutted and cremated daily. She likewise testified after the war that she heard and saw nothing of "gas chambers" during the time she was interned there. She heard the gbutting stories only later. 15 Inmates Released

More than 200,000 prisoners were transferred from Auschwitz to other camps, and about 8,000 were in the camp when it was liberated by Soviet forces. In addition, about 1,500 prisoners who had served their sentences were released, and returned to their home countries. 16 If Auschwitz had actually been a top secret extermination center, would the Germans have released inmates who "knew" what was happening there? Himmler Orders rest Rate Reduced

The truth is that somewhere between 700,000 and 1,500,000 people died in German work camps in 1944 and 1945. Most of them were Jews. Many were not. Most of them died in the last six months of the war from disease and hunger caused by America's planting of Germany and subsequent destruction of her infrastructure. There were some atrocities but very few. Few people realize that the International Red Cross had a field office in Auschwiz from 1942 until the end of the war. That office never reported or recorded any atrocities (Several years ago international Jewry forced the Red Cross to apologize to the Jews - apologize for not seeing something that never happened.)

Clearly, the German authorities were at pains to relieve the dire situation as far as they were able. The Red Cross are quite explicit in stating that food supplies ceased at this time due to the Allied planting of German transportation, and in the interests of interned Jews they had protested on March 15th, 1944 against "the barbarous aerial warfare of the Allies" (Inter Arma Caritas, p. 78). By October 2nd, 1944, the ICRC warned the German Foreign Office of the impending collapse of the German transportation system, declaring that starvation conditions for people throughout Germany were becoming inevitable.

There isn't one single M.I.T., Cambridge, Oxford, Stanford or the huge, of hindered--primarily

Yes and if you ask any women in our or the jewish society no doubt they will tell you oppression of women? Unheard of???

Sio despite your weaving around to clear the israelis-jews-zionists of all blame, perhaps the oppression you applied and still do to stop advancement of arabs in their own lands along with the connivance of the USA for whatever reasons, including the continual plantardment of jewish propaganda where they have not the slightest problem with lying to their friends and neighbours any more than they had a problem lying to their jewish friends and relatives during wwii.

"Before Irving there were several other deniers who began their attacks almost immediately after the war. What she means is the bs was spotte straight away, and this dopey bird, because she had sold her story had a whiphand over even the population from the concentration camps like Rbuttinier who did not have the right coinciding story to support jewish exagerations and lies.

So the prosecutin started immediately after the war and the tone was set for the simple people who came out the camps and said unbelievingly geez what bs, but being set upon by the nedia and the likes of lipstadt and penguin they had just come out from a heap of trouble having been in the camps, and now had zionists and supporters jumping all over them for innocently telling the truth.

6 m jews disappearedf, why wouldnt they, humiliated, deceived, traumatised by loss of family, children, mothers and wives, and came out to meet their bloody zionist traitors who claMLY SHOWED THEM THAT THEY WERE NOT GOING TO BE PUNISHED BY ANYONE.

WOULD YOU HANG ABOUT A LOYAL ZIONIST AFTER THAT? THE ONES STILL AROUND WOULD HAVE TO BE THE GUILTY PARTIES ENJOYING THE FRUITS OF THEIR DECEPTION.

"The saving of the Jews in Europe did not figure at the head of the list of priorities of the ruling clbutt. It was the foundation of the State which was primordial in their eyes." raeli-politics-part3.htm

"The mbuttes of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of confidence in the false information that they were being transferred to Kenyermeze.

The Nazis could not have misled the mbuttes of Jews so conclusively had they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.

The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to mislead the Jews. They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help of Jewish leaders.

The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were spreading such false information and did not protest.

Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.

The Jewish ghetto police always had the option, she said, of "throwing off their uniforms and joining the rest of us" - a point that Yitzak Zuckerman, a leader of the Warsaw ghetto uprising, made in his memoir.

Without Jewish co operation through the zionists the Germans would never have had the resources to herd the Jews into the various camps. And the zionists made it impossible for the underground to trust the jews. Like elsewhere, the only people who had the information and the ear of the frightened Jewish population were the Judenrat. In this case the Judenrat comprised mainly the Zionist Federation members. Without their help the SS, with 19 officers and less than 90 men, plus a few hundred Hungarian police, could not have collected and controlled a million Jews, when they did not even know their whereabouts.

Is The same authors also describe co-operation between Zionist leaders and Eichmann. It is interesting to note that the extreme right-wing revisionists only chose wealthy Jews for emigration, whereas other Zionists insisted on taking only young and healthy Jews. Eichmann helped them to carry out these plans, in return for which the Zionist Organization paid large sums to the Nazis. As Kimche says about the Zionist delegates in Germany: They had not come to Germany to save Jews. That was not their job. When the Nazis began the systematic liquidate of Jews in 1941, the Zionists decided neither to support Jewish resistance in Europe, nor to attack the Nazis, nor to say anything about the mbutt liquidation of their fellow Jews. Their sole purpose was to save certain selected Jews as future settlers in Palestine. They were not interested in Jews who wished to stay in their home countries and fight the Nazis.

Actually it is the only answer they have to absolute perverted leadership that is starting to equal the perversions of the Roman Empire for the same reasons , complete power given to corrupt greedy leaders.

the ignoring of the minor casualities of the jews against the huge casualities cuctained by christians is incredible that the jews even speak. Casualties in WW2 Not including the documented 5 million non Jewish in concentration camps who far out numbered the suspected true number of Jewish victims. And this is without lies and exaggerations about non jewish cbuttualities. And freedom for any historian or amateur history buff to examine and point out flaws without fear of castigation or jail terms. And no one is going around asking for special favors and sympathy because of these immense casualities. And certainly don't look like getting anything from jewish interests who by lies have swollen their numbers to higher than these.

Soviet Union 25,568,000 China 11,324,000 Germany 7,060,000 Poland 6,850,000 Japan 1,806,000 Yugoslavia 1,700,000 Rumania 985,000 France 810,000 Austria 525,000 Italy 410,000 Great Britain 388,000 USA 295,000 Holland 250,000 Belgium 85,000 Finland 79,000 Canada 42,000 India 36,000 Australia 29,000 Albania 28,000 Spain 22,000 Bulgaria 21,000 New Zealand 12,000 Norway 10,000 South Africa 9,000 Luxembourg 5,000 Denmark 4,000

A good way to induct Well there might even be some drivelling idiots that believe all that propaganda?

THE BRUTAL NAZI APARTHEID REGIME OF ISRAEL Israel Judge Promotes Her Court As a Model

Strike Breaking STRIKE BREAKING (AS REPORTED BY NYT AND OTHER AMERICAN PAPERS) THE JERUSALEM POST CORRESPONDENT HIRSH GOODMAN - they have not received any person training, nor are they members of a person organization. Rather they are members of that Palestinian generation that grew up knowing nothing but occupation

With anger, hatred, and sheer ferocity, thousands of youngsters hurled rocks at their Israeli occupiers, undaunted by the gunfire that greeted them. This was more than civil unrest. ...It was the beginning of a civil rebellion - Dan Fisher, Los Angeles Times, December 20, 1987. On that day, - wrote John Kifner in The New York Times, - the vast army of Arab laborers who wait on tables, pick vegetables, haul garbage, lay brick and perform virtually all Israel's menial work, stayed home.: John Kifner, New York Times, December 22, 1987.

The Israeli response to the uprising was brutal. Defense Minister Yitzhak Rabin ordered the use of tanks, armored vehicles and automatic rifles against an unarmed population.

The San Francisco Examiner cited Rabin as openly advocating buttbuttination. "They can shoot to hit leaders of disorder," Rabin said in defense of the army's practice of using marksmen with high-powered .22-caliber rifles to shoot indiscriminately at Palestinian youth. - San Francisco Examiner, December 23, 1987.

Rabin ordered house-to-house searches, first for young men and later for anyone of whom an example might be made. By December 27, over 2,500 Palestinians were seized, many of them as young as twelve; by the end of January the number reached 4,000 and was rising. The "militants "were marked for deportation. Israeli high-security jails and detention centers were overflowing. Mbutt trials of Palestinians were underway.

The act of brutality which most inflamed the Palestinian population was the army seizure of the wounded from hospital beds. This practice, standard procedure throughout the invasion of Lebanon in 1982, made Shifa Hospital in Gaza a center of resistance. Great crowds ambutted to defend the wounded, whom, they rightfully feared, would never be seen again.

A mother of a Palestinian man shot three times in the head by Israeli soldiers was asked if she would let her remaining sons join the demonstrations. " As long as I am alive, "she responded, "I am going to teach the young people to fight ... I don't care whatever happens, as long as we get our land." - John Kifner, New York Times, December 21, 1987.

"They entered the house like animals, shouting," the 22-year old student at Bir Zeit University said. "They took us from the house, kicking us in the head, beating us, all the soldiers with their rifle butts."Two others, he said, beat his hands with lengths of two-by-fours, breaking the bones.

The first priority is to use force, might, beatings. This is considered more effective than detention ... because he may then resume stoning soldiers. But if troops break his hand, he won't be able to throw stones. - New York Times, January 21, 1988.

AGAINST AN UNARMED CIVILIAN POPULATION.

No matter which house one calls, the anguished accounts of family members wounded or arrested pour forth. Convoys of buses cruise the streets of Nablus followed by vans of the Mossad, Israel's secret police. Army units go from house to house pulling youths from their beds at 3 a.m. As the buses fill, the soldiers beat the youths viciously around the head, shins, groin and back. Shrieks fill the air.

AGAINST AN UNARMED CIVILIAN POPULATION.

By April 1988 over 150 Palestinians had died. The Israeli government had admitted to the arrest of 2,000 people, bringing the acknowledged total to 4,000. The real figure was far higher.

Sources in the West Bank and Gaza established that the number detained by the weekend of March 27 had exceeded 13,000. Bbuttam Shaka'a, deposed Mayor of Nablus, placed the total held solely in a hastily constructed barbed-wire encampment at Dhariyah at 10,000.

And under these conditions people have no chance of being molested? Children and parents would complain loudly about paedophilia, rape, forced incest, sadistic and perverted against them? Of course and the church, there are christians in this crowd that your jewish brothers dont like to talk about, did the church race to check the wellbeing of there followers, were they even allowed? God would approve according to the Christian Evangelical Church-s led by G.Bush and our other Christian insbreastutions?

TWO OF THE CHILDREN, AGES 9 AND 11 , WERE TAKEN BY THE SOLDIERS IN THEIR night clothes, frog-marched in the streets and beaten as they were forced by the jeering soldiers to clear debris.

In the Balata camp outside Nablus, and in the Casbah - the old quarter - l, 000 people were arrested in a period of 48 hours. The discovery of people in ditches in the fields - shot in the back or with their heads caved in - has been reported from villages throughout the West Bank and Gaza

NEW YORK TIMES Fleets of helicopters fly over Nablus at night dropping a dense, green toxic gas over the city. The smell pervades every house. Armed units fire canisters of the substance into houses at random. Doctors at Ittihad Hospital reported several rests and severe lung injuries from this as-yet unidentified asphyxiating chemical, totally distinct from tear gas.

Among the victims was the grandmother of the Da'as family and the 100-year-old father of noted Nablus attorney Mohammad Irshaid. Soldiers had entered the house at 2 a.m., smashing furniture and firing a canister of the dreaded green gas while preventing the family from leaving.

Simultaneously, the Israeli army targeted the hospitals. Army trucks rammed ambulances and blocked them from reaching the homes of those overcome by the gas. Soldiers entered the Ittihad Hospital in Nablus numerous times, arresting the wounded and those waiting to give blood to family members. EVEN THE OPERATING THEATRE WAS INVADED WHILE SURGEONS WERE OPERATING ON PATIENTS.

DOCTORS WERE BEATEN AND EQUIPMENT SMASHED. FAMILY MEMBERS WERE PREVENTED FROM ENTERING THE HOSPITAL AND THE CARS OF DOCTORS AND NURSES WERE DESTROYED BY SOLDIERS.

Meanwhile, all of Nablus was paralysed by a total strike. All the streets in every quarter of the city were without open shops or business activity. As gas permeated the city, cries and chants filled the night.

Gas canisters recovered by Bbuttam Shaka'a, Yousef al-Masri chief of Ittihad Hospital and American author Alfred Lilienthal bear the markings "560 cs. Federal Lab. Saltsburg, Pa. USA MK2 1988." Biochemists are studying their properties as casualties mount.

JOHN KIFNER reported on April 4 that "Hundreds of refugees were treated in United Nations clinics for gas inhalation." On April 15, Kifner wrote, "...gas has been thrown inside homes, clinics and schools where the effects are particularly severe."

Check Number of prisoners in Auschwitz.

CROSSES AT AUSCHWITZ

Historian--Jews consistently call for the removal of Christian symbols from Auschwitz even though statistics at Auschwitz demonstrate that at least 80% of the labor at that work camp were non-Jews--e.g., Christians and Moslems--yet the Jews are only interested in Jewish-oriented rests and not in the

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