Chemistry Question: Thawing Frozen Milk 6201

Again, when your logic is refuted and your own words are used to refute your claims, you move rapidly to the general defamation and avoid the specifics of the argument.

And magnanimously on your part, instead of you understanding, you deigned to help the ignorant among you understand your "truth" by

"I started this with the intent to actually answer the things you raise - and see if I could actually get you to understand that we were talking about *freezers* not refrigerators."

Perhaps you could contribute by your doing the understanding?

Please do answer the things I raised - logically and to the point, without the chaff and wanderings, please.

and you said

I could see how you think that, given your avoidance of any argument that goes badly for you.

1) Sheldon said - certainly not when using modern

(freezers)

(refrigerators) you said

I said - Nonsense? Are you saying that the air (moved by the defrosting fan) does not remove heat from the surface of the container more rapidly than does natural convection from still air?

you obviously were wrong since you did not.could not bring yourself to answer.

2) you said

I said -

That would be because the fan moves the air instead of letting it stratify? How does that "air moving in the freezer making for more variability in temperature " work?

you were obviously wrong again

3) You were dismissive of Sheldon's position once again, without refutation

milk is.

to which I noted

-That is an unbelievable statement. No variations in an organic molecule at above-freezing temperatures? An emulsion of a solid in a liquid only because of proteins? Proteins don't stick together? Emulsions of all other homogenized substances cannot exist, and all suspensions cannot exist, without a protective layer on the suspensoid?

4) You said

I said - So milk then would also likewise separate, with the dissolved being more concentrated in the center. And the original poster should wait until his milk is all thawed. Which is not what you have been saying, or is it?

and you are mute, except as to how I am ignorant and beneath your deigning to enlighten

wrong or not? does the dissolved cluster in the center and thus the milk is diluted, or not?

5) and you said

and I said - Again, the dissolved in milk then concentrates if you thaw the ice out first, so the original poster should wait until it is all thawed?

and you said are again mute, for you have no answer except "oops"? or the petulant "I won't sully my hands answering that which shows my error".

I enjoy hanging pontificating buttes on their own words. Unlike those people of science and culture who admit an error and seek common ground on differences to advance knowledge, the pontificators run true to form - weak arguments that sound good, arguments speckled with a few unrelated facts to give definition; they always avoid the logic, rely on the pathetic, lack the ethic, and attack the character of the other side when trapped in their error.

Its sad, though, in that it's actually a waste of an otherwise good mind.

Finally -

I said

size

Apparently getting caught supporting the position you opposed by your own facts does not sit well with you. Hung on your own pitard, as it were.

Snide absurdities hackneyed

You define responsible as agreeing with every aspect of his book. Isn't that a circular defintion?

He gets wonderful reviews for his old

It's an entertainment book, not a scientific paper, fer chris' sake.

He's recognized by science groups inside and outside the worlds

No, it isn't. Cite even a few reputable ones, Rush.

His new book

Popular and technical press is not science, it is journalism.

that's Dr Buffoon, to you.

Want to go head to head on his claims in his book? Lets start at the beginning. They are simplified for the mbuttes - "pop". Some accurate, some basically accurate, and some stretches by any standard.

And when will you address your own facts that contravene your own position on handling freezing milk?

Yes, stick to the question of freezing milk. Address the issues presented instead of making straw men to sound as if you have all the answers.