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Three and one, same as Elijah and Amira, but completely undisciplined. I kept making excuses for them, like they are so young, but our kids, even our very active ones, knew what no meant, didn't grab everything they saw, didn't hurt other people, because we stopped them when they were "too young to understand" so they wouldn't do it when they were old enough to understand.

The younger is actually okay, but emulates the older brother. If they had some firm discipline, and real structure to their lives, he would be okay and the eldest would be on the right path.

In the time it took for me to take the older boys to school, pick up some milk and head home, the older one had already hurt Amira twice. It was very disturbing to see the pleasure he got from causing other people pain. We put them both in the same bedroom, and their father hesitated and said, "I don't think he'll hurt his brother." Not rebutturing. Rich is going to have a talk with our priest and see what can-should be said to the parents. Our entire church knows what little monsters they are (I should say he is, because the youngest is simply untrained, the eldest has some problems that if they are not curbed, we will not be able to allow him in the youth group, we won't leave any females alone with him, he may end up in jail...), and we have tried showing them correct parenting, making polite comments on difficulties in parenting we've come up against, etc, but they don't seem to get it.

Our youngest two got to experiment trying to act out the way these kids do, and they have learned that it isn't going to fly in this house. Amazingly enough, though, with the structure and discipline in our house, they got better, even over just four days. Still far from good, but if we were attentive, they responded. It would take a lot of work, but it isn't a lost case. Their parents have both had Maury Povitch style childhoods, and I think they just don't know what is appropriate, or when a parent should back off and when a parent should step in.

We did this as a huge favor, and we're never doing it again. I won't put my kids through this again, they all were afraid of this little three year old, and I won't go through it again. Our priest's family has six kids, and all of them with our kids are easier than these two kids. In fact, I would take every single other kid in our church for a week over these two.

Regards, Ranee

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