animal products includes milk and eggs and those require the use of animals in food production. Further, they require that animals are bred to produce their food and that, up to now at least, has meant that individuals of the "non-productive" love, ie males, are produced and something has to be done with them. That "something" has to be decided and someone who (a) eats no meat, PLUS (b) eats eggs and dairy products PLUS (c) takes the line that
Options are: 1. Kill them at birth (yes - the animals not the veggies) 2. Change their views and recognise that having other people eating their unwanted byproducts keeps the system going. 3. Keep them as pets. Who pays? Presumably the cost of such care must become part of the food production costs. 4. Grow them on as food for pet dogs and other pets. Personally can't see that that is any better from a "moral" point of view than just using them for human food.
In the future, and possibly not so far away, it may be possible to control the proportions of each love we produce so as the only males we produce are those needed for breeding purposes (and that will bring problems of its own but not the topic here) but until then I require those veggies who try to tell me what I should eat to say how they propose to deal with the male offspring.
I repeat (from earlier posts): is perfectly ok by me - whatever your reason; eat it" then I ask what they propose to do with the male offspring. Vegans, of course, do not come into this category since they avoid all animal products.
Carbonara 352I made that statement through experience. I have been present when sheep have been shot with others nearby. The response...
Carbonara 353Following up to Jane Gillett When you read of dolphins saving people from watering and when you observe a pet cat deprived...
Carbonara 354If you feel sorry for food' - ie birds that have been fattened up and carefully...
Carbonara Mailcopiesto: neverSpeaking for myself (just making that clear, as you've followed up to Jane), I'm human too, or perhaps too human. I've no objection to any of them provided...
Yes. I approach it from the point of view of the distress caused to the animal in question. I don't reckon my sheep have any idea of what rest is and so do not fear it. More intelligent animals might have more understanding and hence more distress.
Absolutely. But it doesn't stop there. When the first animals were sent up to space it was not uncommon to hear comments like "you shouldn't use a dog, you should use a monkey - those are the animals for experiments".
Jane
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