Cocoa How have the mighty fallen OT. 733

That would be nice but many jobs are not open to easily counted outcomes, as this Govt has found when it gets too interested in "targets". What is an incentive in one direction is often a disincentive in some other unexpected way.

You have obviously never driven a car with a woman sitting next to you in the latter stages of giving birth! :)

Well - by the same thoughts - there are private hospitals - but we were talking about state provision.

Thats all very well until its your child who doesn't get into grammar school, and has to attend the "sink" school. There's nothing socialist or even left wing in wanting your kid to have the best education they can. I pbutted the 11+, but plenty of my friends didn't - and had their lives blighted by the result - and many of them were just as clever as me - just had a bad day, or didn't like tests, or got nervous - its no way to carry on. Similarly - letting "bad" hospitals get worse, is all very well until you are in them and need them to patch you up.

And what on earth is that supposed to mean? I've worked in private and public sectors and seen plenty of atrocious, empty headed, buck pbutting managers in both - you only have to look back a few years to the .com bubble to see how stupid and venally greedy people can be - its simply not true that the private sector is wonderfully well run, and its not true that in the private sector badly performing managers are ousted in a flurry of board driven excellence.

It saddens me to have to argue the toss like this - its this sort of mealy mouthed neo-con talk that is choking out the things that make this country a civilised place to live in. Lets get onto the BBC next. :)

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