Boring MAN U supporter's so says SAF 540they didn't read the manure directors etc saying this dave- " Charlton want Man Utd fans banned" A male United fan spent the weekend in custody after claims that a female steward was...
They read the Bible in braille you mean?
Ere Pumparse ... 539loquated before with: Are you being a sighted literalist? ...and yet the bible states that God operated under the influence of progressive time. That people...
Time came first.
And to discuss the sequence in which the created universe was put together after that is to focus on time which is itself a function of the created universe and not on the topic in hand, which is God, who is presumably outside time and space if he created them.
LOL! Can we take that as an "Absolute" then?
Tell me something -- where precisely do "women ... get the shaft" when Christ allows a prostitute to wash his feet? In his rebuke to the Pharisees, who considered it unbiblical, or in his graceful and merciful acceptance of what she did for him? Are we to buttume that Christ is unbiblical, given his opposition to the opposition of the Pharisees towards the unbiblicality of the event, considering our only source for this story is itself the bible?
Once again I must caution against discussing the creator using concepts which are intrinsic to his creation. Concepts such as language, space and time. Of course it is a common fallacy to do so among those whose God is reason.
That's why I asked Le Dieu to be a bit more specific about what he wanted to discuss. So far he hasn't obliged, which surprises me, considering he's the one to champion logic and reason.
The world can be dangerous too. Should we get off at the next stop? Should we ask God not to create stingrays and snakes next time he creates a little world for people to live in? Do you think the world was a less dangerous place before organized religion aka George W. and the neocons appeared on the scene? Why don't you elect someone else next time and we'll be able to enjoy universal peace and harmony again? Stalin was an atheist -- why not find someone like him to run the country? Hitler rejected his religion -- why not go for someone like him? Or Pol Pot? There must be numerous alternatives to bible-bashing neocons in modern America for you to elect next time round -- why not elect one of them and put an end to all this nonsense?
LMAO! And this is what pbuttes for critical thinking these days? Thomas Aquinas would kick your intellectual arse in two seconds flat and spit you out. With John lennon playing softly in the background of course. PMSL!
hey yank ... there are lots of empty churches in the UK these days, where attendance at churches on Sundays is down to 1.4% in some dioceses (UK Census 2001). Why don't we all go over and set up a happy camp? PMSL!
Except the Papacy of course, whose power has been reduced over the centuries.
I'm nothing short of amazed at the course of this discussion by the way. I had buttumed Le Dieu and everyone else who wanted to attack organized religion would have contributed something a little more rational and factual by now, given that facts and reason are on their side. So far I seem to be the only one who has offered a factual, rational and credible case for the defence. Amazing.
rest and pain have caused a lot of rest and suffering as well. So has war. And famine. And hunger. Education. Books. People. Technology. Money. Governments. Atheism. Socialism. Disease. Medicine. In fact anybody who ever lived and died probably suffered and most certainly died.
But hey, let's blame it all on the Catholics eh?
-- + His Holiness Pope Pompous XVIII
"This is all Blarney!" -- Her Royal Highness Queen Elizabeth I
