Serious question.... 3781

I presume from your laughable stance that Keane is the only player EVER to have set out deliberately to harm an opponent that you are not very bright, very biased against him due to the club he plays for, or, odds-on favourite, a combination of the two.

As for the difference. The fact that Keane confesses to a

You have admitted as much by saying it's probable they did. No, it's not probable, its a dead certainty. Unless you can prove that Keane is the only player EVER to have launched a premeditated buttault. Are you really expecting to be taken seriously with this rabid anti-United nonsense?

I can only think that, as an American, you are not that familiar with watching top flight football, reduced mainly to the odd highlight of a couple of Premiership games. Let me run a few names past you that you can google for further enlightenment: Nobby Stiles, Tommy Smith, Billy Bremner, Ron Harris, Vinny Jones, Graeme Souness, Norman Hunter, Jimmy Case, Norman Whiteside, Remi Moses, Lee Bowyer, Terry Hurlock, Peter Storey, Nat Lofthouse, Dave Mackay, Roger Hunt, Mickey Droy, Ron Yates, Jackie Charlton and countless others. You are claiming that none of the above, nor indeed anyone else, has launched a premiditated attack on another player?

"Oh, everbody does

All of them? You know for a fact that not a single one has been pre-meditated? Just Keane's. I think it's you doing the presuming here old chum.

Again, you attempt to

You are very naive to think that Gerrard has never gone into a game thinking great, I owe so and so one. It happens all the time.

Earlier in our posts you felt that because Keane didn't say

I have no idea what point you are trying to make here.

Are you confused into thinking that because someone writes something in a book they don't believe it was wrong. Do you have books in America? There are countless autobiographies and memoirs in which the writer is laying bare his soul, laying out all his misdemeanours and saying mea culpa. Try amazon.com for further enlightenment.

And yet you fail to address the point so I'll make it again:

There are rivalries, feuds, hatreds that last entire players careers. I am not defending Keane. Just saying that it's not uncommon.

Again, mindlessly naive. Someone who is a little more used to watching, and playing, football does not need a written confession from a player to know when he has set out to injure his opponent.

For me, I doubt Steven has EVER made a tackle on a

pmsl. You surely cannot be this naive or this biased towards Liverpool. Do you believe this of all players except Keane?

Keane didn't even know if the ball was

I am arguing that Keane is not alone in his crime. Indeed, LFC have a player now, and have had at least half a dozen players in the past that have done the same as Keane. Apart from the confession.

I thought you didn't like presumption? PV had, in his own mind, a good reason to inflict payback on RVN, the fact that Ruud was out for several months and United's season trailed off was a bonus. You think PV would take that back? You are probably alone in that.

Keane would NOT.

Presumption again.

He's proud

And again.

There is a thin line between naive and stupid.

The other is that I've

Could you explain how you tell the difference between a rash tackle and pay back? You seem to have some psychic insight into a player's thoughts. Is it just Keane in your opinion who has inflicted pay-back or have any other players been guilty of it?

And I don't care a whit for

Yes, and the FA are a body known and widely respected for getting everything right. Not. WTH you need to have more faith in your own eyes. Most people don't need a written confession and an FA sanction to know when something has taken place on a football field.

More presumption. But I'm not interested in credibility. Just in exposing your ridiculous, sloppy anti-United stance that Keane is the only player ever to have inflicted a pre-meditated kick on an opponent.

Which is yet more presumption on your part. Tighten up WTH, or you'll have some people thinking you're a hypocrite.

I can only make the point, I can't make you understand it. The length of premeditation is not relevant. Three minutes or three years. It happens. Often.

You would have no argument from anyone if you'd just kept to saying Keane was stupid and thuggish to do what he did to Haaland. Where you shoot your own case down is by claiming he's the only player ever to have done something like it.