Serious question.... 3783

Your frequent lapse into poorly contrived personal insults is a dead giveaway that you are on thin ice here.

I never said that Keane is the only

So you keep telling yourself WTH. The evidence does not back you up.

You know this for a dead certainty do you? You contradict yourself with almost every point you try and make. Your hypocrisy is making you look foolish.

You know this for a dead certainty do you? Do you actually think about what you write before you post?

You probably can't even play proper

ffs. How old are you?

Maybe I can send you a color photocopy of my match ticket from

You bought a ticket for a game from a tout and that makes you think you know something about football? You're priceless.

Do you think no one notices you snipping the points from my previous posts that you are unable to deal with. Sadly this doesn't make them go away. You said:

You're just full of poo here. Two footed challenges over the ball are

This statement implies that you know for a dead certainty that all two footed challenges over the ball are not pre-meditated and are simply displays of 'hotheadedness'. I see that you are allowed to claim certain knowledge of how all footballers think when making challenges but I am not?

Your argument is all over the place.

Catching on nicely thanks. You want to claim that you 'know' with 'certainty' that all two footed challenges are in the heat of the moment and 'certainly' not premeditated. Laughable.

And now you are putting words into my mouth. You really must try and avoid doing the things that you accuse me of if you want to get anywhere here. I am saying that it is impossible to say (as you lamely try) that all Gerrard's tackles, and anyone else's, except Keane's, are heat of the moment and not premedidated.

Give

You need to re-read your claims that you know that all two footed challenges are heat of the moment. Come WTH, you can do better than this.

Re-read several times and the sentence construction doesn't improve. If you feel it was a good enough point then try it again.

This thread has never been about Keane's remorse or lack of it. Just your increasingly stupid claim that no other player than Keane has launched a premeditated attack.

I find it slightly more poetic than your 'f***ing nonce', 'idiot' etc.

Yeah, we have books. Shall I bash around all of the stereotypes that

And again you dodge the point. I'm surprised you didn't snip it. I'll try again:

There are rivalries, feuds, hatreds that last entire players careers. I am not defending Keane. Just saying that it's not uncommon.

For clarity, are you saying that you don't think there are any rivalries in football, have ever been any, that have resulted in players going on to the pitch looking for a chance to kick a certain opponent?

Could you tell us exactly what level of football you have played, for which team in which league and when? For someone who claims to have played you seem to know very little about the game.

Again you're trying to put words into my mouth. I am saying that given the list of hardmen I gave you, it is incomprehensible that none of them have ever gone onto a pitch and unleashed some pre-meditated violence.

I am simply stating, as has been my case all along, that what Keane did was unacceptable, I have said this many times, but not uncommon. Getting it now?

Read what you said again. It says you KNOW that any unbiased footballer would agree with you that PV would take it back if he could. This is presumption. I am presuming that as PV hated RVN, blamed him for getting him sent off, and put him out of action for two months which helped Arsenal win the title, that PV was very happy with his tackle. The facts back up my case, you only have presumption to back up yours.

He's not

Not at all. Just confused that you criticise me for doing it and yet it forms the backbone of your argument.

LOL. As you don't know any of the players personally you are making a great big PRESUMPTION that none of the tackles you have witnessed have been payback. You don't actually believe this of course but it further weakens your already paper thin position to admit this.

My question quite clearly states 'in your opinion'. As the whole point of what I'm saying is that it's not only Keane who has inflicted payback I would like to know if you honestly believe that he's the only player to have done so.

That's a strange accusation to make when you are thousands of miles away from the team you support. I am a season tkt holder at OT and travel often to away games. I still play at an amateur level and am also involved in coaching a youth team. Your credentials seem to be that you once bought a ticket from a tout to see a CL match.

LOL. Oh the irony.

Hopefully you have managed to check through this thread and found the numerous times you have declared you know something about the way a player thinks.

Many other players do. As you claim to have played up to second division standard I'm amazed you don't know this.

Second, you try to wrap it up with "The length of premeditation is

Dear oh dear. If you 'immediately' two footed someone it wouldn't be premeditated would it, WTH. And no, the premeditation is no worse if it's three matches or three years.

Like I said, there have been rivalries to have lasted players entire careers, you like to think that Keane is the only bad guy out there but this kind of thing has gone on since football began. That's my case. A simple one. I'm surprised it's causing you so many problems.

Yeah, it's EXACTLY the same. PMSL.

Here are several:

Me:

Keane set out to kick Haaland, this is pretty indefensible but I have

You:

And:

Me:

You:

You again:

Do you KNOW that other players have set out to hurt other

WTH, I'm not sure we're going to get anywhere with this. I've seen how you doggedly clung on to the equally bizarre claim that the CL was a better measure of a team's ability than the Premiership so I have little hope that you'll see the light here.

Maybe we should cut our losses and call it a day. Naturally I'll read with interest anything new you have to add to this thread.

Cheers.